# Institutional Crypto Adoption and Stablecoin Strategy

**Podcast:** The Milk Road Show
**Published:** 2026-08-28

## Transcript

I think it's been the year that people in crypto have wished for for a very long time in terms of institutional adoption, but maybe they weren't actually quite ready for what institutional adoption meant.
Bitcoin is fighting to hold on to this rally.
The FOMO is intense, but what does this mean for people who are actually using crypto and what do we need to happen for crypto to finally go mainstream?
Hello and welcome to The Milk Road Show, the podcast that knows that none of us really knows how crypto works, but even if it's scary, sometimes you've got to ask.
I'm your host, John Gillen, and today we are joined by Jess...
Jess is the CEO of Wallet Connect, the leading Web3 connectivity network that leaks over 700 wallets with tens of thousands of applications that enable seamless crypto payments, trading and interactions.
Jess is one of the few people who actually knows what happens when you do anything in crypto.
She has a ton of alpha to share with all of us today.
So if that sounds good to you, make sure you like and subscribe.
Share this episode with somebody who's going to enjoy it.
As a reminder, our podcast today is free and that would not be possible without our wonderful partners at Sabre.Money, the stablecoin payments platform built for Asia.
So keep an ear out for more information about them later in the episode.
But for now, welcome to the Milk Road Show.
Jess, how are you?
Hi, John.
I'm good, thank you.
How are you?
I'm doing well.
I feel a lot better after this Bitcoin pump that we've seen recently.
Jess, I wanted to talk to you because you sit at a very important...
point in the middle of a lot of what goes on in crypto, but very few people, I think, actually know what Wallet Connect is or what it does or why it's so important.
Could you just tell me a little bit in your own words about what Wallet Connect is, why it matters and what people should know about it?
Yes.
So I think probably for most people, Wallet Connect is familiar when they may have been using crypto, they've gone onto an application to do something and they've seen Wallet Connect as one of the options for how they can connect their wallet into an application.
what we actually are is a connectivity layer the default connectivity layer really in crypto and blockchains so on one side of our network we have about 700 different wallets and those will be wallets that retail users are familiar with like metamask or trust wallet it's also a lot of the institutional wallets so think fireblocks bitgo anchorage for example And then on the other side of the network, we have tens of thousands, about 80,000 now applications.
And an application can be anything from something that we might be familiar with in crypto, like a DeFi protocol or an NFT marketplace, for those of you who have been around for a while, all the way through to payments companies, tokenized stock exchanges, compliance companies.
banks, anybody who wants to be able to interact with those wallets.
And with an integration to Wallet Connect, it means that instead of doing 700 different integrations, you do one integration with us.
That's the core value is just that interactivity with the participants on the network.
And on top of that, we layer different products and services, compliance, security, some payments products.
products for DeFi protocols and products for developers.
Okay, so there's a lot to unpack here.
You guys published a report that I want to talk about as well.
But I wanted to start with this statistic.
You all processed over $207 billion of volume in the first half of 2026 alone.
This is a huge increase from 2025.
I wanted to get your thoughts on where you're seeing this demand and usage and all this volume coming from and what has been growing from your perspective.
Yeah, so the biggest chunk of volume that sits on the network today remains DeFi.
has been the case for some time now.
And we're seeing obviously, you know, even that space is changing.
But I think the biggest area of growth is coming from more institutional use cases.
DeFi as a segment has big growth from the institutional side, of course.
But then we're seeing growth from RWA tokenized trading, for example.
And of course, from things like payments, these still make up a relatively small overall proportion of that volume, but they're the fastest growing segments that we see at the moment.
So I think a lot of that volume, which is probably in line with what people are hearing and seeing in the market, we're seeing banks, we're seeing stock exchanges, all of these people start to engage with this technology.
And we're starting to see that come through in terms of the volumes that we interact with.
Hi everyone, this is John.
Listen, our Milkroad Pro analysts nailed this AI bull market.
They had dozens of calls pay off in a big way for our community.
If you want to see how our entire team of analysts are positioning for the crypto bull market that's going to come after this bear market finally ends, you can join us now at Milkroad Pro.
It's just a dollar.
Link is in the description.
You'll get access to all of our analysts' trades, their watch lists, and see how they're navigating this in their portfolios, and get access to ask us questions in Discord anytime, day or night.
It's just a dollar.
Link's in the description.
Milkroad Pro.
Join now.
I'll see you there.
Okay, so institutional adoption, DeFi adoption driving a lot of this.
I also saw that USDC is leading the way with $155 of that billion in volume, and most of that was on Ethereum mainnet.
According to what I've seen from you guys published, you said that 93% of the stablecoin volume you're doing is still on Ethereum mainnet.
Why do you think we've seen such dominance from USDC and Ethereum, and do you expect them to continue to maintain this market dominance?
So I think USDC has been the predominant asset that a lot of institutions will move in and out of for trading purposes.
So if they are trading DeFi and they're moving from a volatile asset, they're going back into a stable coin.
And if you're a regulated institution, USDC is the default asset that you are using today.
I think that use will continue.
I also expect though over time, certainly the chains to diversify a little bit.
And Wallet Connect started in a very EVM centric way.
So it's no surprise to me that most of our volume still sits in the EVM ecosystem.
But I think we're seeing really strong.
competition as it were from Solana, some of these institutional specific chains like Canton for example.
We launched a partnership with Canton earlier this year.
We're about to launch another partnership with a more institutional chain.
So we're starting to see that chain usage diversify and then from an asset perspective I think it's early days but obviously Tether is also a big asset that we process for.
And I think that So one of my hypotheses for 2027 is the predominance of non-US dollar denominated stablecoins is going to continue to grow.
I think this year we've seen early signs of that, of course, with the launch of the Hong Kong dollar from Standard Chartered and with other Dirham stablecoins, for example, Brazilian reais.
So we're starting to see more non-US.
stable coins and i think that that will be a trend that will continue through next year okay i'm excited to talk to you about all of these things because there's a lot to unpack in that um but i want to go to this report you all published because i think this would be good for the audience to hear about this you published a report called the state of stable coin and crypto payments in 2026.
i want to just start with your high level thoughts and takeaways from this report what are you seeing right now in this space in 2026 what is so important for investors to know about what's happening I think the way that I would think about 2026 kind of thematically, I think it's been the year that people in crypto have wished for for a very long time in terms of institutional adoption, but maybe they weren't actually quite ready for what institutional adoption meant, which is actually a lot of compliance and a lot of headaches.
You know, I think we've, as an industry, we've been excited about the fact that crypto and blockchains can.
propose an alternative to the existing financial system but actually instead of a like one for one switch we're seeing this convergence of the traditional financial system with this technology so it's not like everything's moved from one to the other.
But actually, the way that these two ecosystems have to interact is really growing.
You know, stablecoins being used to move money cross border, great.
But what happens at that last mile where you need something back into fiat?
You know, end users starting to want to spend crypto, how do they do that easily?
Maybe that's where the crypto backed card, there's compliance, there's KYC, all of these things, these things that come into it.
And I think this year with Some of the regulatory changes that we've seen, obviously Mika has come into effect.
That's been really, really prominent in some parts of the world where we've seen some exchanges move out of different jurisdictions.
We've also seen new requirements.
So you can't, as an end user, just copy and paste your address to remove funds from a regulated environment anymore.
You need to actually sign messages for compliance purposes.
A lot of this stuff has actually been really great for Wallet Connect because a lot of these problems we're able to solve when it comes to the interaction between a self-custody wallet or a wallet that's on our network and an application that sits on our network.
But for end users, it's definitely created both opportunity, more things that they can do with their assets, but also this realization that crypto and blockchain have to play nicely with the regulated landscape that we all.
operating ultimately.
Well, crypto has never been fun about or a big fan of playing nicely with regulators.
But I think a thing that stood out to me in this report was that you're seeing $46 trillion of annualized stablecoin volume, which seems like just an insane number to me.
So I'd like to hear more about where that comes from.
But the other thing was that only 2% of this is retail payments.
And it kind of speaks to this idea of institutionalization of stablecoins and of crypto overall.
Talk to me about what's driving this.
and what we should take away from those statistics?
Yeah, so I think when you think about adoption, where does adoption come most easily?
It's where there's really big gains to be had and also where there are fewer decision makers and fewer behavioral changes that are needed.
This is why if you look at the payments space...
it's growing but if you double down within the payments space b2b payments are growing faster than consumer payments why because in a b2b payments flow you really need some cfos to agree that this is a good way of moving money obviously you need your compliance department to sign off on it but you get very big gains very quickly i can suddenly move even within a company if i have different entities in different parts of the world i can rebalance my balance sheet and my capital allocations instantly, whereas before that was taking me days and I was tying up loads of working capital.
So I can suddenly start to make these decisions and move much more quickly.
When it comes to something like pure on-chain consumer payments, that's going to take a longer period of time because you've got to...
change the way that merchants accept crypto for end users you have to educate them and give them different user experiences than the ones that they're using today and so that's why i think depending on the decision maker depending on the target audience depending on the the magnitude of the efficiency gains you're seeing different elements of this ecosystem move at different paces.
The nice thing is I think all of those actually make a circular loop.
So once a business is moving on chain, more likely to want to accept payments on chain, more likely to want to pay their suppliers, make their payroll on chain, more people are receiving funds on chain, they're going to want to spend those assets.
And so eventually everything will get...
get there i think it's just a a question of pace so that's one area on the payment side that i'm i'm really excited about and i think that um you know as i said we are seeing fast growth there although those absolute volumes um are are still relatively small in the big scheme of things that other piece that really big chunk with we're still seeing continues to be trading and that's no surprise probably for anyone who's been in crypto for a long time and And that continues to be, you know, I guess what attracts a lot of institutions to this space.
But within that trading bucket is not just like the crypto trading that we might be familiar with from the last few years, but is also things like tokenized assets, tokenized stocks, equities, bonds, whatever that is.
That's, you know, anybody who is on crypto Twitter at the moment is seeing that, you know, base recently launched tokenized tokenized.
stocks within the app.
We're seeing that from Robinhood.
We're seeing that from many, many other participants.
And I think that will also continue to drive a lot of growth over the coming years.
Okay.
So there's a lot in there.
But something that I wanted to get you to expand on was another thing that stood out in this report.
90% of high...
throughput chain volume is from bots and DeFi, which is not commerce.
And I wanted to get your thoughts on that.
Like, what should we take away from that?
Does that mean that most of the people using stable coins right now are bots and DeFi traders?
And do you expect that to change?
Do you see that growing?
And how are you seeing that play out right now in the market?
Yeah, so I think, yes, most of the activity is trading.
It's still DeFi.
Obviously, crypto markets have have have gone down and not been performing so well but the actual volume of activity there continues to be to be pretty high i think we've seen a bit of a transition away from maybe like the retail trader that you know who's trading from a self-custody wallet like a metamask or a trust wallet for example And the balance has shifted towards more institutional wallets.
So hedge funds, businesses, anybody that's a bit more institutional who's using these custodian or institutional wallets to do trading.
So that's one shift that we've seen, albeit within that broader growth of trading.
And are they doing it mostly with bots?
Is that the takeaway from this?
And what's a high throughput chain?
How do you define a high throughput chain?
iThroughput Chains for us is anything where there's like very fast settlement time, which makes it great for trading.
So, you know, Ethereum continues to be, as the report shares, Ethereum continues to be the biggest volume.
in absolute terms on the Wallet Connect network.
But chains like Optimism, Arbitrum, Canton, a lot of these that are more designed for very fast settlement, I think are the ones where we see particularly this segment of bot activity, that those tend to be the chains where that is active.
Which makes sense, right?
It's the same as any other.
If you look at traditional financial services, where do you see the algorithmic trading taking place?
It's in very fast, much more fast paced trading environments versus like a traditional long short equity environment, for example.
Right.
Well, I think it's helpful for our audience to know who they're trading against.
So that's a good context right there.
I want to get your thoughts on the rise of AI agents and what they're going to do to change this landscape, because there's been a lot of talk of agentic finance, agentic commerce, but also micropayments and how all that kind of intersects with crypto, but specifically with stablecoins.
Are you seeing any impact of that yet?
Or what do you expect to unfold in that space as that starts to play out?
I think what we are seeing right now is experimentation and innovation.
I don't think we are yet seeing great volumes.
We are seeing people building really innovative solutions.
At Wallet Connect, we've developed an agent SDK so that your agent can use your wallet on your behalf.
And you use Wallet Connect to connect your wallet so your agent can buy things and do things on chain.
There are things like this that are being built and obviously teams working on things like X402, the Cloudflare announcements recently I think are very interesting with their wallets specifically for agents.
Even the big firms Visa and MasterCard are thinking a lot about agentic commerce, about all the security implications of agentic commerce, what that means for chargebacks on cards, etc.
And I think stablecoins are really good.
uh like primitive for agentic commerce and agentic activity they're fast uh they're instant settlement there's no chargeback risks etc and so it makes it a really useful primitive for that um but i think we're still in the pretty early days of of consumers actually using this at scale i i am a big AI user and I cannot wait for the day that it's really easy for me to just ask my agent to do my grocery shopping.
I'm like, I'm gunning for it.
But the fact that it's still really hard for me to use this in practice, aside from some of the like X402 type implementations, I think it's gonna be a while until we see meaningful volume on that side.
I used to, when I worked at BlackRock, I knew very closely one of the guys who worked on our AI team.
And I used to go by his desk all the time and be like, have you made me obsolete yet?
And he'd be like, no, John, it doesn't work like that.
And I'd be like, well, hurry up, Matt.
So yes, I think we're all looking forward to letting the agents handle the friction of groceries and things for us.
Jess, I wanted to get your thoughts on something that's happening this week.
On Friday, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, Kevin Warsh, is scheduled to speak at the Jackson Hole Economic Policy Symposium.
which is a fancy word that means that the central bankers are meeting Wyoming to talk about policy.
But the title of the symposium is Financial Innovation Implications for Payments and Policy.
And this seems really directly related to what you're working on.
Why is the Federal Reserve so focused on stablecoins, on payments and the implications there?
And sort of what are you expecting to hear coming out of this symposium?
So I think if I was a central banker today, this would be...
probably even higher on my agenda than AI would be.
Why?
Because ultimately, currencies are the monetary policy, are the monetary tool that we have to control economies, right?
So when we think about monetary policy, the assets that we're printing, how those circulate in our own economies, and how those currencies interact with our balance of payments with other economies, i.e.
global interactions with other countries, all of this dictates ultimately the value of our currency.
So whether a US dollar is doing well on a global scale or doing poorly on a global scale is related to the monetary policy.
as well as obviously things like fiscal policy, but most specifically to monetary policy.
And with the dominance of US dollar stablecoins globally at the moment, I think that puts a lot of pressure on the US to maintain that position.
The US has always been the reserve currency of the world, the petrodollar, you know, that has been the case for the last 60 or 70 years now.
But I think with the velocity of like M0 money supply, it's something that I would be concerned about if I was the Federal Reserve.
I would be more concerned about it, I think, if I was the head of a central bank.
for a non-US dollar denominated currency.
Certainly if I was at the ECB right now or at the Bank of England, this would be really top of my mind because the last thing that those countries want is for the US dollar to be the predominant currency that underpins all of their trading and commerce because that will reduce the impact that they can have on their currency's performance with monetary policy tools.
So this is really going right down to the core of global economies and how they interact with each other.
You know, one thing we've talked about a lot on this show is that crypto is quickly becoming a huge part of the global payments infrastructure, and nowhere is that more obvious than in Asia.
But if you're actually running a remittance company or a payment business, you know that the hard part isn't moving the stablecoins.
It's dealing with local banking partners, compliance, liquidity, and all of the operational headaches that come with sending money into places like India and Southeast Asia.
That's why today's partner is Sabre.
They give payment companies stablecoin-powered infrastructure to collect and make payouts across Asia without having to build all of that complexity themselves.
We've already processed more than $3 billion in transactions across 40 different countries, so this isn't just a concept, these guys are actually doing this for real.
If you're building payment infrastructure or expanding into Asia, make sure you check out Sabre.Money.
I think this is really important.
And I want our audience to understand these things because most people in crypto who watch YouTube videos are not really interested in stable coins.
But there is a multi-hundred trillion dollar war being fought and crypto and stable coins are at the center of it.
So I think this is really important.
You mentioned this a little bit in your prior answers, but the MECA legislation in Europe, you know, you just mentioned the European Union, the European Central Bank, that MECA legislation has rolled out and it pushed, I think, close to a thousand different crypto businesses.
out of the European Union, some of them Tether, Binance, some of the biggest names in crypto.
Can you talk to me a little bit about the impact of this and what's the strategy that Europe is pursuing in chasing so many crypto businesses out of the continent?
Very good question.
What strategy are they pursuing?
I can't tell.
Something's going on, but I would love to hear your thoughts on the whole thing.
You don't have to guess what their strategy is, but what is happening and what do we need to know about that?
Yeah.
So so like I think even outside of crypto and stable coins, the European economic area and particularly like the eurozone is has all these questions in mind.
How do we retain sovereignty as Europe?
right um you see it outside of crypto even in just like the regular payments space where there's been moves recently to promote payment methods that aren't controlled by us companies so um card payments visa and mastercard are still the predominant form of of commerce here um but actually those are us businesses that's driving um you know profits for companies that sit outside of the European, outside of the European Union.
And so this kind of push to Wego and to other kind of European native payment methods is part of that strategy too.
So there's one thing which is like, how do we bring more things into Europe and make sure that it's European companies delivering for the Europe zone?
So we're less reliant on businesses that sit outside of our outside of our control and outside of our economic area.
The second thing with respect to the MECA legislation and the crypto environment more specifically, I think is, you know, the EU has always had a slightly more conservative perspective on this industry.
It's less been about like...
just go and do whatever you want.
There's a huge amount of concern around consumer protections, on disclosures that fall in line with other European legislation.
Look at things like GDPR, for example.
Europe has always kind of been at the forefront, I think, of some of those policy decisions.
So with Mika, I think it's been about trying to create a framework that satisfies...
all of the member states in terms of how they would approach this type of regulation and make sure that there is a strong regulatory framework.
Now, I think Mika itself, you can argue there's good and bad things about it.
One of the positive things, I think, is it does deliver clarity, which is something that in other parts of the world we haven't had for a really long time.
So at least there is, you know, this It's very clear what you can and what you can't do.
Whether those boundaries are drawn correctly at the moment, I think is really the big debate.
But clear regulation ultimately is actually very helpful for an industry.
But to this point on where those boundaries have been drawn, that's what's forcing some companies to, you know.
not want to comply with that regulation and therefore not operate in Europe.
I think it causes probably more problems for consumers than for anything else, because if I'm holding a lot of tether and suddenly it's very hard for me to move in and out of that asset, you know, that's bad for consumers.
I think there are.
edges around that policy, you know, that regulation that mean that you can still put those funds onto an exchange and trade them into something else.
You just can't take Tether back out again.
So I think it's not necessarily great for the consumers that are operating today and making that transition.
But I think there's, you know, ultimately probably some good consumer protections that come in for that next wave of people who are.
who are starting to hold these assets i don't know if you would have transparency into this or not but have you seen any meaningful change in european adoption or usage of stable coins or of digital assets crypto in general since this framework came out or like because i'm kind of wondering if like so many businesses got chased out of the european unit does that mean that like europeans just kind of can't really do much in crypto anymore or like have you not seen any meaningful change after this happened After Mika came in, we saw some change in terms of the volumes and the movements kind of cross border of some of this.
So we saw definitely like a big outflow, like reduction of USDT volumes from the European area.
And that was somewhat replaced by USDC, for example.
So we've seen we have we've seen.
some behavioral changes.
I don't think we've seen overall though like a drop in usage of the digital assets as a whole within within the European area.
Okay.
Well, that's a helpful context, and I appreciate you sharing your perspective on all these things because there's a lot going on.
You mentioned the Clarity Act, which is hung up in Washington.
That may or may not get through Congress.
We'll find out in a month or so.
But the Genius Act has gotten through Congress.
That has been passed into law, and I think a lot of people may not know this, but that doesn't go fully into effect until January 18th, I believe, of 2027.
What changes are you anticipating that will happen for Wallet Connect, but also for USD stablecoins in general?
Once that legislation goes into full effect, does that just mean US dollar stablecoins take over the globe?
Or what actually happens once we hit that point?
My expectation is actually that not much is going to change in January.
I think a lot of the impact has been priced in already.
And by that, I mean the main impact that I saw from...
from Genius when it was announced was, you know, it was giving institutions confidence about how they could operate.
And I think we had seen for a very long time banks, other institutions, especially regulated institutions who have had, you know, a whole plan and a strategy that's been written in board decks for a really long time.
But the big, you know, the big red writing at the bottom of those was like, Oh, regulatory uncertainty.
And as soon as that went away, people were able to take those board decks off of the shelves and say, yep, we now feel confident to actually start implementing this.
Let's start building products.
Let's start thinking about this, you know, not just as like nice press releases.
but things that actually touch our core offering to consumers.
How do we bring the benefits of this technology to our customers?
So I think a lot of the impact of Genius has already taken place in terms of institutions and companies being much more confident that they can operate within a very clear regulatory framework.
How are you seeing these different players like the European Union, the United States, China?
trying to take action to promote their currency?
Because, you know, you said earlier that the currency is the most important monetary assets and tool for controlling economies and like how these central banks, you know, express their will into economic outcomes.
What actions are you expecting to come in response to the USD, like Sablecoin Act, Genius from other countries?
And like, just how do you see this like currency capital war evolving from here where we are today?
I think probably the main impact is that some Some governments who may have been pretty reluctant to have a stable coin are moving forward with it nevertheless.
Eurozone is a good example there.
We're not going to have a CBDC.
We're not going to have a CBDC.
We're not going to have a CBDC.
Oh, we might have a euro stable.
We might have a euro stable coin.
And so I think reality is hitting probably for some of those governments that.
if you don't have a stable coin that makes it easy for people to to use in your currency people will just default to the us dollar stable coins and that's obviously something that you want to avoid so whilst you might not like the idea of having a cbdc probably is still preferential than having the the US dollar become your kind of the reserve currency of your own country.
So I think that's probably the biggest effect.
I think then within those places, you see maturing approach.
You know, once you, it's very hard to say you can't use US dollar stable coins if there is no alternative.
But once we start to see those alternatives emerge and become realistic.
I think then we may start to see those places say, you can't use the US dollar stablecoin, you've got to use the Hong Kong dollar, the euro stablecoin, whatever that is, because there is a viable alternative.
So I think at the probably two phases is this growth of more local stablecoins.
And it's probably only once those reach.
usability maybe again this is a bit of a hypothesis but maybe once we start to see those reach usability people will start to crack down a little bit more on the you know certainly which us dollar stable coins and maybe if you can use us dollar stable coins in certain environments at all well i'm looking forward to watching how all of this uh currency wars play out um and and uh yeah because there's going to be a lot of i think moves and counter moves by all these players.
And it's going to be interesting to see how that develops.
I want to drill down a little bit more on something you touched on in your answer, which is ease of use and usability for users, for customers, for like the end user.
That's something I think that Wallet Connect is a central part of your product offering of just like making crypto accessible, fungible, connected.
Can you talk to me about what steps need to happen to make crypto more accessible for the everyday person?
Because usability has always been a big problem, the UX, the UI in crypto.
How are you all thinking about that?
And what are you doing to innovate there?
Yeah, so I think it definitely has been a core focus for us for a really long time and remains a core part of what we try to bring to the ecosystem.
I think the good news is that we've made a lot of progress in the last even 18 months.
Gone really are the days that people need to write down 24 words and store them under their bed and store a second copy with their cat or whatever that is.
Some of these basic things like seed phrases, from a user experience perspective, I think we've solved.
We've largely solved gas sponsorship, for example, needing to have native token as well as the token that I want to trade in and some of the friction that's caused there.
A lot of that has gone away.
And so I think we're at the like, we've moved from like a D minus score to like maybe.
a B score right now as an ecosystem.
The issue is that that scorecard is not just isolated to crypto, it's isolated to all the other things that everybody uses in their day-to-day lives, you know, today.
So from a payments perspective, the benchmark that the consumer wants is I walk into the store and I tap my phone and that's it.
My payment is made.
And that is a really high benchmark.
But...
billions of dollars and tens of years of innovation have gone to making that payment so, so seamless.
But that's the standard that we have to hold ourselves to as a crypto ecosystem if we want the everyday consumer to start using this technology.
Because whilst you and I are happy to...
bother with the, you know, three or four clicks, etc, because we kind of just like crypto and we want to be able to use it.
That's not what what my mom is going to be able to use or want to use because she's she doesn't care what the underlying method is.
She just wants to be able to make a payment.
And if it's more complicated for her, she stood in a store and the 10 people behind her in the queue are huffing and puffing because she's taking too long to make a payment.
That's a really terrible user experience.
So I think we've done.
some really good things.
I think there's a lot more to come.
Some of the things that we're innovating on are tap to pay, recurring payments, making authorizations and policies really easy.
We work with a lot of the chains on things like this.
There was an announcement today around a new standard called 8130, for example, that's a new account abstraction standard for the EDM ecosystem.
So these are some of the areas that we...
get involved in with the goal that we can create better user experiences and therefore drive more adoption where where it matters.
But yes, still still a lot of work to do until we get that kind of feature parity with what consumers expect.
All right, I have a very specific ask for you guys.
Somebody listening to this knows the person running marketing at a crypto or AI company that should be advertising with Milk Road.
We reach more than half a million investors across everything we do and Q4 is filling up.
So don't be the brand that waited too long.
And the cool part about sponsoring the show is this episode is still going to be getting plays months from now.
So send this to them.
Look like a genius and tell them to go to milkroad.com slash sponsor.
Jess, I really appreciate the work you're doing to make crypto accessible and more just like human usable.
And I am still one of those people who keeps my seed phrase with my cat.
So thank you for recognizing that that's who I am.
Jess, thank you so much for coming on the Milk Road Show and sharing all this insight and wisdom with us.
I think this is something that's like really, really important.
And you have a front row seat for all these things.
So I really appreciate you sharing this wisdom.
Where can we send people to find more of you and your work online?
So me personally, I'm on Twitter at...
Hallgrave.
Best place to find more about what we do at Wallet Connect is either our website, walletconnect.com, our Twitter handle or X handle at Wallet Connect.
Thank you so much for being on the Milk Road Show.
I hope we can talk again soon.
John, thanks very much for having me.
Thank you all for joining us.
I hope you all learned something today.
So until next time, stay safe, stay educated, stay bullish, and we will see you all on the next episode of the Milk Road Show.
Thanks for being here, everyone.
Bye.
Thanks for listening to Milk Road.
If you enjoyed the show, make sure you like and subscribe.
And if you're struggling to find winners in the market, that's exactly what Milk Road Pro is built for.
Our analysts have called some of the biggest winners early and Pro lets you see what they're buying next, every trade they make, and the research behind every position.
Check out Milk Road Pro at the link below.
Everything you hear on Milk Road is for informational purposes only.
These are our personal opinions, not financial advice.
And we may own some of the investments we talk about.
Always do your own research and make the decisions that are right for you.
See you next time.