# Davos 2026: Geopolitical Risk and AI Strategy

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**Published:** 2026-01-28

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Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu einer neuen Folge von Leben mit Aktien, dem Vermögenspodcast der Wirtschaftswoche.
Ich bin Horst von Butler.
Und ich bin Christian Veröhl.
Und ich freue mich, dass du wohlbehalten zurück bist aus Davos.
Wahrscheinlich ein bisschen erschöpft, denn es war ja nicht nur der ganz normale Konferenzmittel.
Also man ist physisch bin ich schon durch.
Also wurde doch gefeiert.
Nein, es wurde nicht viel gefeiert, sondern es ist, es war so intensiv, es war ja wirklich denkwürdig, historisch, grüner und gehört immer noch zu Europa.
Es war wirklich ein ganz besonders Davos, weil so viel passiert ist.
Es war spannend, angespannt, hochpolitisch, voll wie nie, historisch und interessanterweise ohne diesen berühmten Davos-Konsenses.
Das ist ja so eine Stimmung zur Weltlage, die sich dann so nach ein paar Tagen herausschält.
Haben wir letztes Mal drüber gesprochen, die gut als Kontraindikator funktioniert.
Also wenn die optimistisch sind, geht's runter.
Und wenn die pessimistisch sind, willst du ein gutes Jahr.
Aber dieser Konsens wurde ja bis Mittwoch so zu einer Stille, so zu einem Gemurmel, auch zu so einem Entsetzen.
Also eine Teilnehmerin hat es ganz interessant verglichen, wie sie so vor einem Erdbeben hören doch die Vögel auf zu zwitschern.
Und so ein bisschen war es.
Alle warteten auf diese Trump-Rede.
And yeah, for me, a very country US-Unternehmer sagte uns im Hintergrund, als er zu Trump gefragt wurde, wir sind alle gefangen in seinem Kopf.
We're trapped in his mind.
Und das brachte es für mich wirklich auf den Punkt.
Yeah, es war also, selbst wenn man nicht dort war und einfach nur so ein paar Reden, insbesondere die von Trump, aber auch ein paar drumherum had in the internet.
It was a historical moment.
What do you think for what you forget?
But before we do this, the World Economic Forum lived on the beginning.
And so in the Warteschlangen, the mächtigsten for a security schleuse.
I was in this Steigenberger Belvedere.
I wanted to police a bit to the side to get it.
And where came here?
Javier Miley and Delegation in the Congress Centrum on me for Christian that can be a little bit of a lot of people.
I was talking about me either.
But derivation, bureaucratic, what is it?
That is a spirit that we have been.
For all interest, but in this panel says the twenty Christine Lagarde, as to the world, they wanna hear what they say.
And Christine Lagarde with a colleagues and who's the good looking guy over there.
And that was Gavin Newsome, the California Gouverneur, the campaign from Donald Trump.
And then he's a little bit whether it can.
And then said these guys don't wear ties.
And then we were to him and have so two minutes with him.
And there said this Donald Trump is a T Rex.
That was my hand.
And we had not dead why we had the European people that not knocked for Donald Trump.
That was Dienstag for the read.
It could not be that Europe.
Hells to him.
That can't be.
What I said, what the American.
When the Texas Wahlkreise ended, it must be in California.
This is the moment his strategy.
In normal sites had this ausgeschlachted, but in the USA is not all easy.
But it's not a problem that he was in California comes.
And he has to begin.
And they said that it's the European and said that you have an open source model for KI and this is my punchline.
This is the wrist message that we lost.
And it was complicated, and they were off now so much.
We read not about Chat GPT, they wanted to be the next generation of KI models.
And so, the Chinese would have an open source module, but it would also feel that the European people have been by few announcements, China to the world.
And as we talked about what Brussels get.
So the European Union wanted a model, which the lender passed.
But we must have so much in the hand, so a project lightspeed quasi for gunsticks and so that I interest.
We have not in Europa geschafft, in Deutschland geschafft, with very gold deutsche Telekom and SAP, Corona-App to entwick, die dann breit funktioniert.
Vielleicht ist es ein denkenswerter Vorschlag.
And vieles hasst you have too fall.
For me standing around, and he came from a dinner, where the Howard Lutnick, the Handelsminister, another aggressive redeem gehal.
And these clean anecdotes and geschichten, they sammel man hold off in Davos.
And this is also spanned.
But we wanted to have the five Learn, die ich aus Davos mitgebracht.
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Yeah, and I mean we have Trump in the world.
When this is the Weißen House, the portfolio not off the prüfstand to stellen, but hektisch anzupassen, then not reich, but fairly unabhanged, irreverse.
And the last one was a good beyond.
You must lerm outblenden, but I think this is general lamb outblendence.
We wanna see the noise and the signal.
This book was cited off the noise, the noise of noise.
Of the other side, must say, when Trump was said, which absurd, what in an half year could an understanding, a credit card, what we just lived.
Or JP Morgan was verged with.
Or if it's not so when we say radical, that it's the radical.
We have gold.
And there is the thing.
They had in the portfolio a game to the geopolitical reason and to the schwächern dollar.
But I would say, come on to the team of the voice, and then has to have an action.
Yeah, an Börsengang in the last week, namely the Czechoslovak Group, died not showing the Ferien-Domicile in Tschechien and the Slowakei aggregate, but that is a new Rüstung that on the Euronext an fulminante.
Donald Trump in Davos.
And then never KI fornambi over Grönland spread and so geopolitic as elitäres Rätsel raten, trotz so geballter Lösungscompetence.
Was für eine Verschwendung of Zeit and Energie.
But this hanging with a lot of the ersten of five learning aus Davos.
The American have Davos gapert.
I mean, they were present in Davos, but this was the one.
It was off political sidedemonstration.
Zugespit, she came to Europa to their eigenvaluation and dark to discutiere how verloren Europa is.
Interesting message.
And Elon Musk, toller of it.
It was the alter Elon Musk.
Not the political, the I flew to Mars, Elon Musk, that's by SpaceX.
Jeder would have an eye humanoid robot.
The offer inspirian.
Besides Gespenstisch was the Ministers, Trump Administration, and besides her forgehoben, eben Howard Ludwig, den heute erwähnt, who auf mehreren Panels auch the WEF as symbol of globalisier angegriffen hat.
Yeah, there was a Schweizer Essential.
Bis auf die Gründer Frage, der Hope and the Sidefinger.
I said, I must have nothing with Gegenstra zu antworten.
Sonst war der eigentlich so classical gentleman type, finde ich.
Besonders gespenstisch was this Board of Peace in the Conkurrenzhal.
That was the magerinier, this Friedensrat.
Da musste ich this blau, this we have weichen.
They have this new pull draw.
And then traten hold these minister and premier minister and president of Marocko, Pakistan, Usbekistan, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan.
Also, so a mission of Schokensta.
Yeah.
But vielleicht is the gate of this geschichte.
Denn immerhin reden weiter of einer Milliarden Dollar, die official in a Fonds for the Gaza Streifen fließen.
Obwohl es ja irgendwie so ein World Project is.
But also diese Sache mit dem Fonds und dem Geld, what heißt das alles schon?
Auch mit der Mittelverwendung angesichts eines Chairman for life, also President of Lebensside, Donald Trump heißt.
Dann gibt es dazu so ein Executive Board with nine Mitgliedern, and da sind eben fünf Leute der Trump-Administration drin, nämlich Trump selber, Marco Rubio, Jared Kashner, Steve Whitcoff and Robert Gabriel.
Und dann haben sie noch vier Feigenblättchen dabei.
Tony Blair, auch ehemalige britische Premierminister, der Präsident der Weltbank, ein Bulgarischer Diplomat und Mark Rowan.
Auch sehr interessant.
Never waste a gold crisis, the CEO of Apollo Global Management.
Der wird hier einfach ein gutes Geschäft.
Also das ist nicht wie Trump sagt, so eine UN ohne Wasserkopf.
Das ist ein Closed Business Club.
So ein bisschen so ein Super A Lago für Nationen.
Und Jared Kuschner hat übrigens da auch eine klassische Präsentation gehalten, auch für mich das erste Mal.
Da gibt es ja nicht nur Reden in der Kongresshalle, also wirklich mit PowerPoint, zusammen Wiederaufbau von Gaza.
Aber er hat einen Satz gesagt, und da habe ich doch, der hat mir zu denken gegeben.
Er hat gesagt, er weiß dass es immer viel Kritik gibt an dem, was sie machen.
Er weiß auch, dass es Vorbehalte gibt, was sie hier sehen.
Aber er sagte, geben Sie uns doch eine Chance, lass uns doch einfach mal machen.
Und da muss man ja festhalten, ihnen ist erst in Gaza etwas gelungen.
Und diese Aufbaupläne, ich meine, das sieht bombastisch aus, als ob das doch nicht so ein bisschen was ist.
Es ist besser als alles, was jetzt da ist.
Nur dann hätte man einfach sagen, das ist dann kein nichts, was die UN ersetzen soll, sondern dann hätte man sagen müssen, das ist unser Gaza Business Club.
Und das ist jetzt hier die Initiative dafür.
Und grundsätzlich die Idee, dass man jetzt ein solches Projekt aus Gaza macht, die ist ja mal besser als das, was momentan da ist.
Kommen wir zur zweiten Lehre: Wachstum und Willkür, der neue Spagat for CEOs.
We have hier bereits darüber diskutiert, diese new will be a very strong.
They won't be able to do it.
In fact, Trump has delivered the US.
And it should be to awareness that there with other must be the American world.
And I think the meaning said that we won't forget.
Sobald he was a faded, that they have a problem.
It's this Jamie Diamond, and that's really interesting.
Not by one, by the capital credit card-censes, there was an economic disaster.
80% of American would be credited for us.
Also, that is clear, but it's not his business between.
And then we said we couldn're not going to say one month in the Messiah testing, but that's a four school.
Bernie Sanders is a senator.
And this is.
Dritter Punkt.
Grönland bleibt for me to be a symbol.
And integration is a Waffe.
Was heißt das?
The Frage is: Is the Grönland Krise jetzt eigentlich gelöst?
Es wird jetzt verhandelt, es gibt keine Annexion, keine Gewalt, aber die Krise can jederzeit wieder hoch poppen, wenn Trump with this zufrieden is.
Eine Escalation is wie bei jedem anderen Thema.
And this 24-7 fragility in der Phase der Ruhe immer noch triggerisch sind, that is, glaube ich, wichtig for Internehmen, but auch wichtig for Investoren.
And then we have to redeem, die Kanadas Premierminister Mark Carney gehalten had.
There sprach about this and cleaner lender, died, to duck and pass, blood.
And Kanye said, often the remote gallery.
But all have an beteilic, but the American Hegemonie stability version has.
Inzwischen, after vielen Crise of the year, would Großmächte, and just lender the Canada, I love Deutschland, so what heißt das wirtschaftliche Integration als Waffe.
It's a without a gedanken, die dann eingebracht hat.
They are barrieren, which is that the world is fragile and nachhaltig.
Man stürzt sich also gemeinsam in so eine Abwärtsspirale.
This is practically the new preis for the global risikomanagement of allen länder.
And the USA have yeah, soft power.
The for heising, not really interesting getrieben, but a bit more too soft, but the USA verlassen, military.
And there had Trump given the European NATO Midglieder.
But Trump said of hard power, and that is long frisday teurer option.
And I think the Rüstungsatz so stark offstock will be some hegemonial, which is formulier in the National Security Strategy.
So it was a lot of basis of shock and awe durchzusetzen, that is a deadly higher military and geheimdienstliche Presence.
And self not, we won't forget.
The geschichte is full of Imperial, they have and then Oliver Blume this week beciffed for an underneath the Volkswagen.
And deswing an Mittel, um, a new fabric for Audi in the USA to erase.
But come on to the first learning.
And Marcani had an interesting botschaft that Mittelmächte nicht machtlos are.
And it worked a bit as Friedrich Merz abgestimmt.
Carni schlag for a land as Canada a werte-basier for a begriffing that from Finland't sowool principlent treu as pragmatic.
We need the world actively, start off a weld to warten, which we won't.
What bedeutet this?
And then food Tikani so a beginning of variable geometry.
That's interesting for them on basis of gemeinsame and interesse.
EZB Chef in Lagarde has not so much that violence.
And the week the EU Parliament, the Mercosur Abkommen with Sudamerica announced verzed, that can be a little bit more than a little bit.
But Kane was my answer, was empathischer, narrative, visionärer, and is glaubwürdiger as Merz.
And in given to our Bundeskanzler, we had a conservative liberal wirtschaftswende hingelegged in Canada.
And there had been for them and household.
It had the capital attribute to investment to further.
It had mega projects, which the gene for the LNG Terminals in British Columbia Bergbauprojects.
And it had, once the households deficit in the grip to become a hard spark in Dienst.
So that is all an answer.
And when you say what the political spectrum here in Deutschland fired as antipoden to Trump, then what it has for an agenda of the European Middle Matter when they were bureaucratic and regulatory fessing and a focus liberal agenda.
And not yammer and Werte.
What you the drift between Millet and Donald Trump.
So a five to ten punctual plan that I have for Deutschland.
When this was actually good.
Yeah, and I have next week the eyewitness that so many journalists and journalists fired have these inhabiting them.
When it's then concrete, what is it?
Klingball had said, and has a beautiful, where you said that this is actually the souverainity.
Yeah, there we have a girl named Tanquid, in which the Deutsche Treibstoffistic are under Tanklager on 15 standards, so nine and 40% of the so genetic between the world.
And CEO is a Trump Freund and Großspender, namely Kelsey Warren.
And I mean, we read the one ständig about souverinity, and what we in the vergange for feeling, that we have so much China, that the BASF, the gas special to Russian.
And we have these crises.
They in this austen logistic concern, VTG entwickled over 10 years.
And that's clear.
Now on that shelle, and we have often a project of the coalitionsver, which is the Deutschland Fonds, dammit so much in the land half can and not in the Ausland.
Coming to the five point.
Natürlich was the thing about künstliche intelligence the hype theme in Davos.
And that is my Fazit to be a gentic or not to be.
There were eight months, and all have said in this year come, and this must all an agentic enterprise.
And we want to, but it's very abstract on agentic is the Visa CEO, Ryan McInery.
I think I spent it out.
They spoke from agentic commerce.
That is in the first time we had it by buttons given.
So that we can in these buttons had.
And that's not the first shit.
Then we can represent and autonomous plan.
Visa would be on the basis of history of the company shopping.
Christian, we have passed off.
We have this Pullover, we have three years not, or if you wanna do it.
This would be the system, the interest.
They have already spoken as if this for the years.
And Visa KI Visa cards.
But okay, this is the vision of the CEO.
They said the world is a shopping mall in one of the clinging.
The cool shrub that the milk has not been by all, but it gets a lot of people.
I wanna say they're gonna make it.
It's funny, yeah.
And what is that?
When you visa systems that Visa and Mastercard have this combined, that's marked.
And the Burse, whereby the Visa and Mastercard is.
Visa have 2025 to a 30, Mastercard, and 30.
Actually, 20 to 720.
That is not billionaire.
But it is another random year.
And we do not forgotten that these being the verb, the banks, the handlers that have and for the implementation of KING for all the beteilights.
The span is also that many branches from an economy B2C economy to a B2A, also business to agent.
And when algorithm has not off the product and processes, but off the marketing.
And then the Accenture Chef and Julie Sweet.
And there is for each branch of must-win battles.
And this is a good bear for the handle.
When it's not an eighty tech centre is, then it's a bubble.
It gave all these anw bewerting, and zwar Tokens dollar pro Watt.
That can vote sein, that can be.
And deswing spread from Token Production and Token Fabriken.
Token pro Dollar pro Watt.
That is for me, which is how efficient sich KI ausbreited.
That will have a whole request and needs not that we in Deutschland stark sind.
Then Slogan from B2C to B2A, day schon wieder angst.
Plus eine Beratung, die sich aufmacht.
Yeah, yeah, genau.
This muss all ironically greifbarer, griffiger werden, konkreter.
Wenn du Chat-GPT ein Buybutton hast, wäre das, glaube ich, oder?
Ja, gut, aber das ist jetzt ja nicht so aufregend.
Ich habe trotzdem nicht mehr Geld zum Kaufen.
Ich habe nicht mehr Geld zum Kaufen.
Außerdem, dass zum Beispiel ChatGPT ja schon eine Allianz mit Walmart for genau dieses Thema geschlossen hat.
But when you say, Christian, willst du nicht zwei Wochen willst du nicht nach München kommen?
Und dann sagst du, irgendwie, pass auf, guck mal mit dem Calendar, ob ich das, and sonst buch mein Flug irgendwie um oder den Zug.
And then this lästige.
Nein, also auch wenn er stattgesellschaft.
Also schreibt mir nicht nur ganz viel hin, was ChatGPT can, sondern book that you kennt mich ja, and put the trip.
I have often them read.
Yeah, then wäre das toll.
I would have asked.
That's why I'm so funny.
Flight nochmal these five things zusammen.
We have einzelne unternehmen genommen.
Du hast tatsächlich auf dieses ground, we have not irrelevant as anleger.
But have we not, two other things that we are in these can.
What does this actually forget?
We have seen that in the USA eroded, and that is six US dollar.
That is not a fall.
Yeah, but getting the euro is halt out of a relation.
The euro is not as to life as a game, but the Eurozone is even too sharp.
There must be a lot of people.
But we just by $5,100 fine and the gold, by $105 silver is a misstrauensvotum.
And this misdrounds voting can not start.
And we see it also by the second franken from the US dollar, by 1,208 from summer 2011 as the USA rating.
And it came so star, it was not five or seven percent.
Firstly, okay, gold, silver, hedge for these grenades.
And that's the hoff of an art Trump putter than for one year, namely the calculation that Trump, the Congress Well, in November not what the action market would.
And it is not a benchmark for the virtual work, but a US consumes.
So long the American people in their action-based accounts.
Yeah, there have been this good that they could better give it.
And that's a great not stimuli, but the shoulders, that the inflation could say, that's the next bladder.
And the third point is this is the Cell America trade.
There was a bewitching, and the American have registration.
There we were in Davos that we have this online market.
And it was this scenario.
But I have all this and I diversify is a great here about $100 million by the Danish Pensions Fonds.
The Treasury's Market is $30 billion with a liquidity of $500 to $1,000 a time.
It was unclear where the liquidity then of a lot of it.
It has a game, this treasury market.
It's too clear, it's too ill.
And when we as European concurrency, then we're free or later, not really in the European Capital Markets about Eurobonds.
They had the first in the world and the partial bremse.
And on Eurobonds, when we have the American online market of a nice.
But they will recharge that there's anything.
In last year, there was Trump Studien, of course, the ausufernation.
We had this study from State Street.
Tja, and Christian, by the Aktien is the Lage ähnlich.
We have often said that man can in the USA either not, or when we said the US klumpen.
But the American Aktienmarkt is wichtig.
And I think that's really the USA, or that is kind of option.
Yeah, and kurzfristig muss man ja auch sagen, so sell America is ja immer erstmal sell everything.
And we will not so do it, as had the European Market in these days the Grönland Crazy.
So we are in 1999, in which the Japan Bubble.
But this is the performance.
And it's the alter, that we also have the mark, where slower will as the passive strategy can anticipate with production.
We have for two weeks the Morningstar Dividend Leadership.
That's the name.
So ging's loss with einem Schrotthändler, Jaroslav Stronat, who in the 1990er yeah, the Kalten Krieg als Schrotthändler for ausgemusterte Soviet Waffen begangen and daraus eben stuck for stuff a Rüstungskonglomerat gezimmert.
Jetzt ist Michal CEO, with 33 years a very bemerkenswert jungle on the spit of European Unternehmens.
Schwernert controlliert the Gesellschaft fast vollständig anders in Zuge des Börsengangs rund 15% der Anteile.
And will this in the eye and diversify the Rüstungsbranche investigation.
CSG is for all the name kennt, as Munitionshersteller bekannt, gilt as the number 2 global by Middle and Grosscaliber Munition.
And this has 30% Umsatzanteil.
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Rund 84% des Umsatzes stammen jedoch aus dem Verteidigungsbereich.
Und Christian, wenn du das alles so erzählt hast, mir war diese Geschichte ganz unbekannt, was immer noch so ist, wie fern man doch nach zwei, drei Jahren Zeit, wenn es dieser Rüstungsbranche noch ist.
Ja, Rheinmetall haben wir jetzt alle, ist langweilig, aber hier nicht nur der Rüstungsbranche, auch das ist unser Nachbarland.
Die Nachricht vom Börsengang wabert ja einige Zeit lang schon durch den Blätterwald.
Also hat auf jeden Fall eine beachtliche Landgestützte militärische Wertschöpfungskette.
Das kann man in Summe unter diesen Portfolio einfach mal schreiben.
Yeah, ist dadurch natürlich auch irgendwie vergeben.
Sowood organisations as we actually inclusive kinetic in the last nine months of 2015, 4,5 million euro ums.
That's even not 28% plus.
Inside for 2026 were seven and a half million euro umsat.
Also that management the dimension clear had.
Leonardo in Italia of 13%.
And when this margin holds this, then the operative 2020 by 1,6 million.
This is not very, but there is a space for investments and acquisitions.
Is that not uncomfortable?
I have said that market cap 30 million euro.
That's the network, 3.5 million.
We are also an entrepreneur of 36,5 million.
EBDA 2026, when the margin constant is 1,9 million, come on to a factor of 19 to 20.
And the Ryan Metall, the 86 million market capital is by a factor of 25 Leonardo by 12.
But we have the margin.
Womit the Czech.
CSG must actually 43% of Umsatzes with the Ukraine.
That's what we're saying.
The action is a zynische speculation that the Krieg in the Ukraine for the Waffenruhe comes, CSG, sowohl operatively as of investor sentiment here, striker between other Rüstungs.
But we have a zynisch calculation.
That would not be not what Friedensschluss bedeutet, ob the bemogen in few lender notes.
But Deutschland will investigate and not other lender in Europa.
Yeah, so we said Klingball meinted, I hope we have the show to hear.
Investigation, a munitions fabric in Iowa, had a wrap of cooperation with etablier players, KNDS, died on the Börse wollen in Panzerplatformen.
That is showing global player.
Inscreen have the 40 productions standor, but dwelling under the gross rüstungsaktien.
In belly, then not the next stick in the Indy C and Stark.
And in the name self investigation.
It is as by each name.
Here we are in the personal marschable.
Yeah, that was for this week.de 2022.
I'll say vivo.de 2026.
Da bekommen Sie dieses this jubileum-bo.
It's freaking when you're not abonnell, that you are.
Yeah, and Christian, I thank you for this deep dive to Davos and for the Thesen, die we diskutiert have.
It's spanned and machen Sie es gut.
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